Nummy, Sparky? 
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Yes. Nummy, Phil. 
lol
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Canât give you too much shit. Iâm often guilty of really silly phraseology myself. Maybe not on an all adult forum, but still⌠
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I have to balance my tendency towards highly technical somehow⌠chuckles
And sometimes itâs nice just to be âlight and whimsicalâ with the slightest air of âI just donât give a fuckâ (because âI care all too muchâ the majority of the time. Or so it seems). 
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Balance, the key to life. I guess you have to find the line between writing a technical manual and ripping off some Suessian banter wherever you can. Whoâs a good Sparky? YOUâRE a good Sparky!!!
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Me in front right, Fizze left rear (after such a complimentâŚ)
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Dang I need to stay away from the clearance bin.
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Doesnât need words
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Seems ok in wattage mode. Havenât tried TC yet. Nice feel. Fire bar has a little wiggle to it. The screen is really dim even with the brightness on max. Why does anyone used smoked glass on their screens?
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Ohhhhh, love the voltrove miniâŚyeah, mini compared to the 41mmâŚLol. how do u like the MF RDA? Not crazy about that one myself, it is ok but nothing special, just comes in handy when you need a series deck
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Yup exactly that. It isnât terrible but it isnât stella either. But the price voltrove are selling for atm is stella. They have a few left over that had faulty glass so they are shipping them out with no glass top cap at a little under half price
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Holy crap! 8.5 volts on a stick! Get ready cause here it comes!!!
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ya is a pretty epic vape - to use @Steampugs words "hits like a drunken uncle " (at least I think it was pugs that used it if he didnât he should lol)
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In guessing itâs the same as in the Charon Mini (by release dates).
Iâve already verified that the Cylon and Charon Mini are two completely different firmware.
And given I did a complete strip down on the Charon today (to find the chipset), Iâm compelled to go ahead and break out the soldering iron and do the same on a working Cylon.
I canât stand knowing (and reporting on) one, and not the other. Especially when itâs the superior one (Cylon) that I donât know. lol
Stay tuned!
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OK!! Itâs official!
They are two WHOLLY different animals!
The Charon Mini operates on a âHoltek HT32F52352â ARM cpu (generic hunk of shit IMO), and the Cylon (gorgeous workhorse that it is) operates on a ST Microelectronics (long respected name in silicon for decades) STM32F412.
Charon Mini FW version: 1.3.1 (latest and current)
Cylon FW version: 3.0.8 (was on my original Tarnish, as well as the one much later, black)
HUGE difference in why the Cylon is so reliable (as well as the firmware tools/code) IMO.
Other interesting tidbit: My Cylonâs (Tarnish) CPU was made in France (âVQâ production code). Though there was a revamp to support the hugely popular chipset, and they extended production to their Taiwan Fab as well. So Iâm betting that my black oneâs cpu was made in Taiwan (though I have not confirmed this yet), and those have an ST production code of â9Râ.
Even still, I trust ST Micro HEAPS more than I trust the Nuvoton crap, and until Smoant can show that Holtek is capable of stability, theyâre not much above Nuvoton IMcurrentO.
Since theyâre both the same form factorâŚ(32F series, and 64pin)
Iâve got a sneaking suspicion that I could drop an ST chip in the Charon Mini, and with a bit of firmware finagling, could have another stable device! (but of course have to account for the difference in screen size, after finding a way to do a factory dump of the Cylonâs FW.)
Interesting, yet random thoughts abound⌠grinning
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Makes me more curious whatâs inside the Naboo.
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Makes me think theyâre not doing their own thing (as I initially hoped) but are job-batching models (or even order runs) through different assembly houses, As each product is designed (and even possibly, as reordered).
Reasons for suspicions/questioning:
- Different chip use from one product to another. (Holtek on the Charon Mini, ST on the Cylon)
- Level of care/attention to detail during the assembly process (small things like glue around the lcd mounting on the Cylon, but not the Charon Mini)
- Different lcd screens within the same product line (solid black backlighting on the Tarnish, blue tint on Black Cylon, obtained 6-8 months later)
And, thereâs also the extreme outlying chance that I received a clone (Charon Mini), but I find that EXTREMELY unlikely. Iâm more inclined to believe itâs a small team of devs/designers, batching jobs outâŚ
Even though theyâre obviously not making their own chips (as weâd previously been led to believe: the ANT versions) I do appreciate that they are currently âtelling usâ when they switch sources, and what chip is in which one (even though we need someone to translate what that actually âmeansâ):
Ant 225 = Holtek
Ant 218 = ST Microelectronics
At least they arenât obscuring the data by lasering off the top of the chip!
@Eddie
Given the product page says itâs the 225 chipâŚ
http://smoant.com/naboo-kit-225w/index.html
Iâd bet itâs the Holtek.
But thatâs just an educated guess.
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