I know what you mean, I decant into 5lt plastic jerry cans for ease of pouring.
That spout on the upper 25lt drum is a pig to dispense with if the VG is cold.
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Ya I used to use those for VG but they suck. That bottle at the top is isopropyl alcohol I use to clean down the the bench.
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Whoaā¦I want all that technological stuff lmaoā¦Serioulsy though for the GC and the warming apparatus i have a vision in my head that I know I can make happen ā¦
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Hello everyone. BubbasBrewz here.
New to this site but not new to the community. My gamechanger is on the way and set to arrive this week.
Just had some quick questions about my setup and method/process if someone can check my thinking.
The ultrasonic cleaner I got is the exact same model that Tammy has. I am planning to use it as the element to preheat my VG as well as a ultrasonic cleaner during the process. Upon a test run with the cleaner, the heating element stopped working. This makes me concerned that I will need an alternative heating source at some point in the future unexpectedly.
My question is, if I was to premix my VG, PG, and Flavorings into a beaker/flask, would said mixture then be viscous enough to be homogenized with the GCH, even without preheating the mixture to 140Ā° F?
I always mix at 70 VG / 30 PG and typically use anywhere from 5-15% flavoring on average. Would this require me to still preheat this mix before using the homogenizer in it?
This would potentially save me a step of preheating the VG in the case that my heating element weāre to stop working. A sous vide heater is a little outside the budget at this time.
Thank you all for your time and input. Pleasure to be here in this community with you folks.
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Arent you that Guy that was on DTF show Sat ??? i have this on the wayā¦Ive bought a couple things but they didnt excite me ā¦I got this bc its super compact and i believe it will heat fast enough For me once i get setting dialed inā¦
NOā¦you still need to heat the mix
Yes ā¦
There are many threads here that i would suggest you readā¦Videos showing homogenizer being used without heating VG and withā¦
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Hey Harrison
I will refer you to a post of @anon96069639 's the issue is with no heat that the viscosity of the VG will put extra strain on not only the CG but the rotary tool as an aside for the mix will not mix anywhere near as well as you can see by the attached video.
https://vapingcommunity.co.uk/t/e-liquid-homogenizer-project-another-step-forward/1992/17
Some of the USC will only switch the heat on while the USC part is running while it can be used as a heat source as well as for post mixing finishing there are other options such as putting your VG in a hot water bath or a small hotplate as @Fiddy showed.
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Yeah Fiddy thatās me! I am going to be appearing on VapinTruckerās show this coming Saturday as well (if all pans out)
Thanks for your response. I have been doing further reading through these threads and yes I have figured out that heating is essential.
Now that is out of the way, I just need to lock down what heating element I am going to use. Let me know if that hot plate pans out well for you, otherwise I might just suck it up and get the Dash brand Sous Vide bath/cooker. Seems to be super easy and perfect for what I wanna do, as Iād like to have bottles of VG preheated on standby for when I am live streaming.
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Thank you for your response
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How about a link to your streaming channel. Also, if you get the Sous Vide you can also cook with it, so that is a bonus. I hear it is a wonderful way to cook.
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Appreciate it if you give me a sub and help get my channel going! Thanks Dan 
It wonāt let me add links yet so just lookup Bubbas Brewz on YouTube
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Alright so I received my homogenizer yesterday and I couldnāt wait to get started so I did two mixes. I used a 30 ml and 60 ml Boston round with the PG and Flavorings. Then I preheated my VG. my ultrasonic cleaner only got it up to 120Ā° F so before I started mixing, I placed an order for a scientific water bath that I will use to preheat my vg going forward. Moving on, I went ahead and added the heated vg to the boston, and got the GCH in there and started it up on low and ramped it up to high over the span of a minute. I was able to use my hands with no stand, as I have big hands 
so I could manipulate the speed and the on off switch without taking the probe out of the liquid. Success. It ended up looking like baby poop haha and I ran it through the ultrasonic cleaner for a couple minutes and it came out Crystal clear.
I set the bottle on the table to cool down and my curious self noticed those really cool little gas bubble trails rising up through the bottle. Iām guessing I could just run it through the cleaner longer but I just let the mix settle. At first I was thrown off by those little milky strings of tiny microbubbles, as it looked a little bit like man milk. I asked myself, now what the hell is that. Picked up my phone and checked my messages from Dan the man and was calmed when I re read his explanation of what those are. The gases formed from homogenization.
After impatiently waiting a few minutes for the bottle to cool almost enough 
, I threw a few drops in my RDA andā¦
OH. MY. LORD.
I knew going into this what this could do, but I didnāt really grasp it until I tried this mix I made. 8 Flavorings at 15% flavor. Fruits, thick creams, custard, itās all in there. Normal steep time would take at least 3 weeks to taste this amazing.
The GCH did it in 1 minute.
As I work out the kinks in my process, (bouncing from the kitchen to my vape bench) I am buying more labware and heating equipment that better suits my living situation and my needs. I never make more than 60 ml batches of juice, as I am a flavor chaser and the backbone of what I do is create, clone, and experiment. The small size GCH is perfect for my uses as it fits perfectly into 30 and 60 ml Bostons. Just make sure to keep the probe off the bottom of the glass. I also find that the GCH gets hot as you ramp it up, which is actually nice to help keep the VG viscous.
If anyone has any tips or suggestions or comments let me know. I plan to do a small video soon showing how I use this amazing tool with my small hobbyist setup, so you geniuses can help suggest any tips and whatnot.
Thank you all for helping me out and reading this heap of a post.
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Iām anxious to experience that moment,myself. 
Always look forward to video of the GC in action! Iām thinking that for my 30ās and 60ās,in Boston Round and, Chubby Gorillaās, which will be the 3 common vessels I useā¦Iād like to make some sort of simple, adjustable āclampā to hold them so I can devote all of my attention to the GC/Dremel operation. Thoughts?
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Hereās the link to my video on it
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Nice job with explaining how the process works. The spillage can be eliminated by making your recipe batch smallerā¦if memory serves,I think Dan recommends a 25ml batch in a 30ml Boston Round to ensure thereās room for the displacement caused by inserting the GC. Thanks @BubbasBrewz!
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Hey I hope someone else has noticed this, or someone can ease my fears. I noticed during a cleaning of the homogenizer, that the white drive bits are starting to show signs of wear. Almost as if the teeth are losing a small amount of plastic material.
Am I running it to fast? Could this be pulling plastic particles into my mix? I havenāt noticed any debris in my mixes but Iām just curious. Not trying to break my GCH.
Also, does anyone else get a small amount of liquid coming out of their top hole on the probe sometimes when ramping up the speed? It dribbles down into the bottle with the rest of the mix and just mixes in with the rest. Iām assuming this is just mashed up liquid components? Thanks all
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You know what, it seems unbelievable that some topics are recurring and this is one of them.
I remember something on ELR abt heat flux/Flavours behaviour back in 2015-2016.
Two days ago Iāve been asked the same question on an italian forum.
Why certain liquids behave so different at different vaping temperatures, some flavour notes come out when hotter, but if power is pushed too high the mix tastes rotten.
I could give a generic answer, (sugars, caramels etc.) but wanted to come back with a detailed one, just coz Iām curious, is there a deeper interaction? Or why can that happen?
So I started searching, but you know what? Still canāt find an answer with proofs and or charts explaining it, so Fiddyās question after 5 years of sub-ohm, science facts, experience, studies and what not weāre still āresearchingā
Personally I havenāt found a plausible answer, can anyone push me in the right direction?
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I think the fact that you couldnāt really find much on this @Iv3shf shows that basically no one really knows. We know the results, but not the why. I think most of us know all too well the Chocolate Scorch that can happen at too high of a heat, but actually WHY, hehe, not soo much Frank. Great post, and Iād like to know too.
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Different compositionsā¦ for every application, there is a process.
Ok Frankā¦ how is this? If you buy a cake from the store, they list ingredientsā¦ yes? When you make a cake from scratch, you have your ingredients. When you have certain flavors, and you combine them, you are adding in each ingredient to a flavor, then pairing the 1st bit to the next bit and so on.
Flavors are formed from compounds. If you stop and think about it, some flavors have few compounds as it doesnāt take much to make āXā, but then moving on to yet another, that one might have 50 parts to make it believable.
Then when you add heat, or coil size or your cottonā¦ everything changes from that point too.
It takes at least where I work, 125 people to create a new flavor. A lot goes into what you vape. It is a process, and it all has to be done correctly. A lot of testing and studying before they create vat sized amounts.
Because of the compounds (molecular changes) needed for 1 flavor, this is why some parts of a flavor or even a full mixed recipe, some parts are more noticable than others.
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Thank you @SmokyBlue You know that I know that, every single aroma is made by molecules and we understand that when a new mix is made, after steeping/homogenizing is a completely new compound.
We also know that when heat is introduced, the molecular kinetic energy (speed) increases and they start going faster (thus increasing heat by themselves) something must happen there, could it be that even a āsimpleā custard changes taste at different temps.
But, is that predictable? As you said thare are so many variables that cannot be taken into account and the result is not foresable, coil size,mesh/cotton, diameter power, compounds quantity, a Strawberry mix with EM, Vienna cream, malted milk, will have so much maltol and itāll surely prevail, but a lot of interactions are going on and how will that mix behave on different coils, systems power is not predictable (itāll probably muteā¦ ) , so youāre probably right, thereās no standard answer.
Switching the brain on, probably helpsā¦ 
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Yes. From the actual recipe, to batches of flavors that make the recipe, to devices, coils, and wicks.
How high or low you vape in watts, joules etcā¦
It is only predictable if you keep following a recipe, but again, with each batch of flavor created, the batches change. Molecules change from batch to batch according to availability. If someone blows up a source, a replacement needs to be found and replicated. Changes so lightly are done, you wonāt recognize it until you finish a bottle that aged (again change) and pick up a new bottleā¦ Changeā¦ inevitable
lol Brain power 
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