Speaking of lying sacks of shit - I believe that Stanton Glantz was in New Zealand a few weeks back hopefully he didn’t have a hand in the regulations that are going to be put into force by the NZ government soon. With wild claims that guy makes you would think he had some medical back ground - nope he is the Mechanical Engineer that actually publicly claimed that smoking may be less hazardous than using electronic cigarettes.
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I agree wholeheartedly, we had a choice to pick the lesser of 2 evils but the key word there is still EVIL. I voiced my displeasure by voting for the Libertarian candidate, I don’t even remember that person’s name. I had people telling me I was throwing away my vote but what does it matter anyway, it is not a popular vote but a electoral college and all California’s electoral votes were going for Hillary anyway.
I am with you brother Ogre, the gooberment needs to stay the fuck out of our lives, land of the free? Not feeling that way anymore, were going to have to change our anthem soon.
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Wow, sack of shit is right, not surprising, most things in San Francisco are just that.
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It’s not throwing your vote away if you simply don’t want either of the assholes. Anybody’s guess who would turn out to be the lesser of two evils in the end. It’s unbelievable the things the gooberment is becoming involved in. Insane. Land of the duped.
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U.S.D.A Grade A Psycho!
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@woftam If Glantz has a hand in the NZ regs then we may have a problem, however the highest rate of smokers in NZ are Maori, and particularly Maori women, this is generating a lot of interest from the Maori politicians who favour using vaping to help them to quit smoking.
So overall there is hope, as there does seem to be some sense in our law makers.
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I would swap your Prime Minister for ours any day she appears to be a very smart cookie (from what I have seen)
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Yes, she is far better than all the recent PM’s in NZ.
You guys change your PM faster than I change my jocks.
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Ya the power grabbing is strong in our politicians and it is an embarrassment to many of us - yet so many look past it i just dont get it
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I reckon the average Joe, as long as he/she has a comfortable, safe life, with acceptable disposable income, they really don’t give a shit about politics
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Personalities and the possible mental state of politicians aside, there is a formula for getting things done. I was part of an organization that opposed Draconian fishing regulations here in California. A very smart man realized the consequence of doing nothing and founded a nonprofit and organized.
People were assigned to go to all the meetings and bring up the arguments that were pertinent to us sport fishermen. Had we not, nobody would have countered the radical leftists that wanted to do away with all sport fishing.
What you have to understand about the opposition is that opposing you is their religion and they are zealots. They don’t care about facts and they don’t care about helping people or if they hurt people. They only care about advancing their agenda and stomping out all that disagree with them. There is no peaceful compromise for them, and not even the chance of a rational discussion. The only hope I did see in the president’s remarks is that he acknowledged the the vape industry is big and employs a lot of people and he is a business man.
Sadly I see nobody organizing to speak out. I see no groups staging protests. Signing online petitions is a great first step but keyboard warriors get little accomplished other than venting their frustrations.
Where are the hardware manufacturers? Where are the big juice companies? They have made billions. Unless a lot of people get on the same page, vaping is doomed.
Edit, afterthought: I get emails almost daily from all the big online vape stores. Not one said anything about the proposed ban other than Nicotine River. Pretty sad in my opinion.
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I’ve been watching this debacle roll out with intense scrutiny, still working on believing what I am seeing and trying my damnedest not to lay blame on someone, THIS is what everyone feared might happen if the Voopoos, JUUL’s and Candy Kings carried on doing what they were doing and trying to make money from the younger audience, all it needed was a trigger, and those fucktards that came up with a way of making fast cash from THC carts was it. Trumps a business man, he’s probably got a fuck ton of cash tied up in big tobacco and big pharma, you can smell the corruption all the way over the water, and his solution?..kill the industry that saves millions of lives a year, ‘save the children’ by stopping the very thing that’s probably kept these kids parents alive? and taking away the livelihoods of thousands of families by destroying their business’s?? wtaf. Kids will always try and get high, I don’t think there’s a single person on this forum that doesn’t know that all too well, but killing vaping because a handful of kids made some dubious life decisions?..man, that makes literally no sense at all, he’s making a relatively regulated industry into a very unregulated industry, this won’t stop people vaping, but it will force them to start vaping black market, dirty back room mixing labs and under the counter unregulated filth, then what?..ban mixing supplies? ridiculous, it makes me sick to my stomach that you guys are going through all this and all the while we’re selling flavored e-liquids in hospitals and putting advocacy posters up in doctors waiting rooms…and that’s us??..the people who can’t work out what the fuck ‘democracy’ means…
Sucks so many balls on so many levels, truly gutted for you all and the industry on a whole, it’s a sad sad day.
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I think you’ve got your answer there. They will just jump on the next money train that rolls along.
Well said sir 
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If and when you sign the petition, make sure you check for the confirmation email or your signature won’t count.
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Well maybe people with sense are getting through, this was on twitter.
We still gotta keep the pressure on but this is a good sign.
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Glimmer of hope maybe the other brain cell he has woke up when someone poked a stick in his ear and said this may cost you 2020.
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Maybe the number of hospitalizations and deaths will stop or slow now. It won’t stem the flow of misinformation though.
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You could put that under the picture of every president for the last 200 years, actually.
He’s just a pawn in this game, whether he knows it or not. Had this happened with another president, the same things would still be going on. @Mjag’s tweet post is at the very least hopeful, but I do not see him having the power to really do anything meaningful at all, one way or the other. It is congress and the lobbyists that are steering the ship. He’s simply at the controls, believing he is in charge yet not realizing the entire cockpit is on auto-pilot, and his inputs are actually having no effect.
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