I can dream.
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Oh, I understand. I’m laughing at me though, for being damn fool enough to think there were actually any “perfect” single mix concentrates out there, much less 102 in a row.
Not a one of these 20 so far tested are full on winners, and by that I mean good enough to mix alone and be a good vape. And this highlights a major aggravation of mine re:mixing. This was one test, at one % level, with one concentrate. How many untold different % I can try on one single flavor just annoys the hell out of me. I may hate something at 2%, like it at 1%, but love it at 4%. I can’t know that unless I test it all. Test, test, test, shit. Why can’t it be just simple. Fact is, all of these may be winners at different %'s. Ack.
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In addition, my thought would be that (when SC), they may also be muting… Just a thought though.
First round testing is always a dangerous time to make assumptions… 
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How so, sir? Not 100% following.
You are correct there, and I intimated as much earlier. But it still sucks because I hoped to clear the bases on the first swing.
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As it is mine.
Now you see why I do three to four (of a SF) at a time, simultaneously. I hate having to make multiple passes, much less trying to remember how one hit me (or having to do unfair comparisons at different maturation points).
I think you’re more likely to struggle, or get an incomplete impression by trying to do “flat batch tests” (IE: all tests at 2%). At least, that was my experience when I walked that path back when…
JMHO. YMMV.
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Meaning that (as pointed out earlier) they have two separate strengths. Normal and SC.
Since it’s been pointed out earlier that some are used in the 1% (or sub 1%) range, then some might mute at 2% (during flat batch tests).
I can’t imagine that many would have been in the same round… But just wanted to remind you of the factor during a time when you’ve got a lot of other things going on! (new sous-vide process, loads of new flavors excitement, others in house posing additional excitement/distraction with questions, etc)
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Going to answer you in the new WF thread again. Thanks!
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@Mod A merge of the relevant posts if you please!
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I don’t want to see you guys fighting; it’s like seeing your folks fighting. So quit that shit.
I agree with @anon96069639 about keeping the methodology aspects here, since this is where such things are discussed.
As for muting, I find fault with no one about the concept but I would like to hear some non-allegorical insights as to the reasons for it. If, like time steeping, it is just an accepted myth, I’d like to know.
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Flavour Muting, there are a lot of factors but I’m sure one of the major ones is airing your e-liquid (flavour evaporation?), especially for fruitier flavours as they are more volatile then the custards / creams.
I also think some flavours just become “watered” down when you mix with them.
A great example here is (CAP) Sweet Strawberry
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Makes sense, especially for ones with higher alcohol that easily gasses out. Nice one.
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I know, and I didn’t intend to imply that you are spoiling for a fight. Just making sure our pleats stay flattened.
And again with this, I am very interested in why things are what they are, and always ready to read something that will help me in my, wait for it… methodology. Boom, full circle.
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Fair point.
To clarify my POV though, two different reasons, but the same result. If one gets to the point of not being able to taste it (excluding losing flavor to poor methodology), then I’ve (possibly incorrectly) always viewed it as muting.
(Be it over-saturated sensory receptors, or EM).
The merge request was because of the perceived shift in topic to WF. No problem leaving it though if that’s what’s preferred! (Didn’t mean the two should be merged into one. Just thought the flavor results posts would be better in the other one. Sorry)
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Pretty nice!!! I like.
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That is a sentiment echoed by just about anyone I have read about that converted to them. It’s amazing isn’t it? Zero harshness; you can’t detect them at all.
I didn’t bother quoting your last sentence because I already knew I was right. 
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I am glad you like the salts ever since I first started using them I knew I would never use FB again
You could try making your remaining FB into a salt with some benzoic acid - always a good time to experiment when there are next to no consequences if it fails.
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Alright… help me out a little please. It seems that a couple of these that I have tried- Cola Gummy Worms, Candy Stick Candy, seem to have a deeper, fuller flavor than they did when I first mixed them. This tells me I’ve done something wrong in the 3M DIY process. Do you think I need more SV time, or more USC time, or both perhaps? I’m surprised by this since the homemade recipes absolutely matched the results of the time steeped ones, whereas at least some of these WF one-offs seem to be changing over time a bit?
Taggin’ in the peeps. @anon96069639, @SmilingOgre, @Sprkslfly…
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Not to me I guess! I gots nuthin’.
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