So basically… stir/homogenize and heat for x amount of time eliminates the need for the long winter’s nap of shelf time, making the juice 100% ready as soon as it cools and nic (if desired) is added? That is extraordinary. And super duper cool.
The unit I got from Amazon arrived last week, and though I did get it for juice heating, I fully intend to use it for food applications as well. So while this thread may go back and forth between vaping and eating, I’m very interested in both. Admittedly more so for eliminating the dreaded shelf time steeping, but I’ve seen some pretty excellent looking food uses as well. (And for cripe’s sake it was $43 so I pretty much had to buy it).
So what have you asked me to make with that simple recipe?
Want to recommend some suitable glass bottles? All I have now are plastic and I won’t be trying any real heating until I have proper glass. These will be used for the mix/mech process only as the finished juice will be transferred to the usual plastic bottles when completed.
What I want to do (which may be different from what is best, so please tell me), is to mix my usual 100ml quantities. I’ve never wanted to mix large quantities but will if that is best. So really I’d like 100ml glass ones I can use for a 1 to 1 transfer to the actual service bottles. I hate dropper filling and will not be using the glass bottles for that purpose; mixing only.
So I guess I’ll also need smaller, maybe 10-30ml (10ml preferred if they make them) for test recipes. Those I would probably use for both the mixing and the service both since they are testers and if successful would be made in the standard 100ml size, so I could abide using the dropper fill for that.
Elaborating for @anon96380778’s edification (or others, since mrpipes already knows how and why our current methodologies differ…)
I vary from his process in stage 2, for a couple of reasons. 1) is the hardware limitation (that I actually prefer) of my USC maxing out around 115-120F. 2) is because I prefer to have the nicotine be part OF the process of melding into the VG. Obviously, this can be accounted for in adjustments to the methodology, but it’s simply what I prefer.
In my case, the force is applied by the ultrasonic waves (via the aforementioned cavitation process).
Of course, I’m still very keen on the idea of trying the mechanically homogenized method, and I’m aware that there will almost certainly be some adjustments to account for (on my part)!
As for recommendations, I can only say don’t buy either the amber or cobalt 30ml’s from NR. Both have been undersized, and leave no room for off-gassing. They might in fact hold 30ml, if you go damned near all the way to the top… But what’s the point then.
I have only had ‘fair luck’ with their clear 30ml Boston Rounds. But it seems like (and things may have changed in the last year or more since I’ve ordered bottles from them) they order in large quantities, from whoever cuts them the best deal at the time. Rather than cut a deal with a consistent supplier.
As for 15ml bottles, I have had great success (holding the proper quantity, and still having room for off-gassing) when ordering from ecig-express! I love the 15ml bottles that I bought from them!
I scored a baker’s dozen of 120ml Amber Boston Rounds (with phenolic inserts!) from goodwill for 0.50¢ea once, so I can’t help there unfortunately.
As things are now, my options are wearing my arm out like a 12 year old who’s found papa’s porn stash (or so I’ve heard ), or attaching them to the end of my jigsaw, and the USC. I will definitely use the Sous Vide, albeit at Piper’s recommended temp (largely due to the sciency shit about that being the perfect temp for VG to relent from its’ staunch resistance to play nice). And I will try the ‘nic last’ approach. It will wait a bit though, since I have no bottles and no VG at the moment, waiting for Heartland’s sale. If this proves to knock traditional steeping from a month to a day, I’m gonna be strutting around the place like a damned boss. Dream come true.
Indulge me again as I ask yet another stupid question…
So, homogenization helps with “steeping” because it breaks down all the disparate particles to a single uniform size, correct? And this assists in getting them all to meld and mix together? And heat further helps VG and the others play nice together? If my assumption there is correct, then it leads to this…
We all know or knew anyway, that changes in matter come in two forms:
Physical change, whereas the substance has changed in some physical form, i.e. sugar melts. This is a reversable change.
Chemical change, whereas the substance undergoes a change that results in a new substance altogether, and is an irreversible change, i.e. burning a log.
And that said… is this mix and mech process achieving both types of change? Are we literally having the juice undergo a chemical change? I know we are physically, as the homogenization changes the particulate size. But are we technically creating a new substance as well? And lastly, the question is also posed for the traditional time steeping process as well…