I am in exactly the same boat as you are @Timwis and have stopped mixing these ultra low percentage recipes, even with these 4-6% total recipes the flavour is very faint and what little I do taste just isn’t saturated enough to satisfy me. My tastebuds seem to get on better with recipes using a mixture of flavour houses with a total percentage at around the 10-12% mark. I think at the end of the day we just have to accept that we are all different and taste things differently.
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Yeah, some of @SmokyBlue recipes are awesome I just find for me I have to increase all %'s while maintaining their balance to appreciate them!
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This… 
Our Woftam is right on the dot!
Over flavoring is a thing… and the best solution is to try flavors… I dont care what brand… from lowest and raise it up until you can taste it…
Flavors react, the more you add the more the compounds in flavors behave. some can kill off others, some can enhance… depends on the mix. You can push flavors so high that… the best example is tasting from the start, and then nothing…
Even cinnamon or other spices, can kill taste buds
Just something to think on is all…
the next thing is vaping the same flavor “profiles” like strawberry for over extended times… eventually you get flavor burn out… this is why it’s suggested to change up your recipes… vape something different, in fact, complete opposite…
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Yeah, I vaped exclusively your Big Redd recipe with anise added, since I messaged you about it a month or two ago. Tastebuds have now experienced death by rich cinnamon!
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it happens!!
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10/10 …
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Tim, the easiest way to do that is to make a stone. Let’s say they all add up to 5% flavoring. Most calculators will let you make that in say 10/30/ whatever ml’s you want. So normally you’d use the premix of flavors only at 5% in your whatever size mix. But if you want everything double as strong you’d mix that stone at 10% as an example. Everything stays in sync
Sorry man I just can’t buy that. The % of any individual flavoring has its own sweet spot. Now having said that, it’s much easier mixing a bunch of ultras together. I find my highest % of any Flavorah I use is less than 2% when mixed with your regular Cap, TFA, FA, etc.
Man, I’m very sensitive to cinnamon
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In the UK we have a lot of manufacturers that just sell the ready mixed flavourings, places like Darkstar for example and you mix them at 20%, I also have bought from Croatia (journey is the manufacturer) what they call long fills rather than shortfills where you get like a 100ml bottle but it just has the flavourings in the bottle and you add the PG, VG and nic to make it up to 100ml and yet again all these long fills had 20ml of flavouring!
Oh yeah and also Spicyvape from Isreal they do a ton of e-liquids but every e-liquid they do you can also buy the ready mixed flavourings and yet again to mix at 20%, on top of that their e-liquids you can also buy flavour boosts for just in case 20% flavourings isn’t enough!
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I would go along with that, I am talking about total flavourings, if I mix a pretty much all FLV recipe in total it will typically only come to between 5 and 6%, but I am sorry but manufacturers do use much higher % flavourings you just have to look up e-liquid manufacturers who also sell the ready mixed flavourings also to mix the same juices to your own PG, VG nic preference and they nearly always recommend 20%!
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Tim don’t you think that would be eerily freaky that all those ready mades are 20% flavors. Like. Every. Single. One? I imagine that’s being done for your ease of mixing. You could take that same all flavorah at 5-6% that tastes great to you and add the PG/VG right there while creating the stone to bring it to any % you want for mixing.
Actually, there are some here with ‘one shots’ sold semi commercially here but their names escape me. It would be easy to ask if their % to mix has added PG/VG to make the % easier for use.
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A lot of oneshot companies do this for ease of end-use. Generally just PG not both though.
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Eagerly awaits Tims response
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I do agree with him many popular juice companies have a very high % on their flavours. All you have to do is look at the Jam Monster leak a little while back some were in the high 20s flavour wise and most were over 20% if you include the 1.5- 2% super sweet they use.
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In general US juice tend to be for the sweet toothed!
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I really don’t know all I know is juice manufacturers do mix higher% flavourings than most DIYers and as stated before if I can’t taste Jack sh*t with these 1% total flavouring recipes am I supposed to lie in fear of upsetting the narrative?
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Nope not at all, but I’ve already answered how to increase that easily. I don’t think anyone here has disagreed with that portion of your comments.
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Yeah I know about making a stone but I just find it easier to make a 30ml bottle of juice up and keep the recipe’s balance the same it’s quite simple math increasing everything by the same %! A stone is a good idea if I was going to make the same e-juice up again in the future but I only tend to try others recipes once, I just much prefer creating my own!
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I didn’t mean that as in I don’t like other peoples recipes because that couldn’t be further from the truth but if I kept mixing the same ones it would prevent me from trying others, people can only vape so much e-liquid!
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This. I have worked with a few of the manufactures here… I can say I know I can mix an ultra, and make it as a shot where you add 20% and then top off with your bases and nic… it’s called flavor dillutions… normally in a pg base, that when you mix at 20%, they make more funds… so…
Think on that.
That is double what my recipes are… js…
And again… if an ultra is diluted or if they are using cheaper or weaker flavorings… it’s not so unusual.
*giggles at the 2% supersweet
Actually, no… get to know your flavors and companies. Start low and work up. Just like with stepping down with nicotine, you can do that with flavors too… depending on how badly damaged your taste buds are.
Mix for you, never mind how much flavoring… if it works for you, do it… but nothing is ever simple, @Timwis Just know how things are in the “industry”… know what is reasonable. If there are people that enjoy say Vanilla Pudding at 1% or at 2% or a recipe that is 3% total flavor… and you aren’t getting much from a lower amount… something is going on, and just adjust… not a big deal
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