Help Out Our New Zealand Brothers

It appears that the New Zealand Government are going to make a huge mistake and backflip their vaping stance.

@G-Fog you will need to share the hell out of this one (Glantz related I suspect)

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/petitions/document/PET_91278/petition-of-nancy-loucas-sutthoff-for-aotearoa-vapers-community

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Thanks buddy, we are circulating on all our local pages.

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I am 100% in solidarity with the views stated in the petition and would very much like to be helpful. However, I will not sign it. I firmly believe in the rights of self determination and non interference of all peoples within their governments. If my signature on the petition was to be considered then all outside opposing would also. With the current state of hysteria, ignorance, and disinformation in the US, we as vaping proponents are vastly outnumbered.

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This is win/win for the U.S. gooberment. They keep the tobacco revenue flowing e.g. Master agreement, taxes, contributions and on average smokers die 10 years prior to non smokers reducing the burden on SS, meda-all, etc. which has already been squandered by the gooberment. I have no idea what is at stake for New Zealand gooberment but I would think it to be similar thinking.

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I can respect that @mrpipes :grinning:

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I absolutely respect that, however, any ban in NZ will have a massive impact on Australia as most Australian Manufacturers direct ship nic’ed up juice from NZ to their Australian customers. So for all the Aussies we have a dog in the fight.

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We have a vaping MP on board in one of our local FB groups, which hopefully will assist in our quest.

Edit: It turns out that he is a candidate for next year’s elections, sorry my mistake
However he is on our side, and we are hoping that he decides to go forward with a positive stance on vaping, which would no doubt endear the vaping voters to him.

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One has to assume that the billion dollars per year tax on tobacco in NZ goes some way toward influencing the decision makers in government.
It makes me sick to my stomach :face_vomiting:

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That is the one thing common to the entire world when it comes to smoking and government influence on it. No question it is all about the money. Well known, well documented… there is not a single government in the world who will cut off a profound revenue stream in the name of public health. This is the root of the issue and the real ‘smoking epidemic’.

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I do have to wonder how they sleep at night.

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As well as a grizzly bear that just ate 4 children and a litter of puppies. Quite well. Those without a conscience tend to sleep rather well.

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Someone posted an article that said most politicians are sociopaths and I believe it. A lack of conscious describes most of them.

This shit ball keeps rolling downhill, I am afraid to think what’s next. I hope they come to there senses.

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What is the term used to describe a person who firmly believes that they know what is best for everyone else?

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Asshole?

10 character

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Yeah I agree, however I was just battling to come up with the right term, besides arrogant.

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Narcissist?

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Nah, Politicians, I can’t tell the difference between the 2 parties anymore

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Yes that too, I was thinking more on the lines of it being a mental condition like a sociopath is.
It must surely be a mental illness :rofl:

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So true. Politician is a far better term.

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You defined “politician” right there.

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