Heating e-liquid components

PM me a link where you got said Pyrex container with lid, please. I can never have too many containers with lids… :upside_down_face:

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Well I bought it from Walmart, Ill see if I can locate it online anywhere else. I’m sure amazon prolly has it…but I’ll hunt it down for you

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nvm. Pyrex bowl with lid. I misread your post. I got one of those. :wink:

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Hey, my dear, would you happen to know the brand or maybe a link? Don’t go through a lot of trouble though.

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When Im in the kitchen, if I just dump all into a bowl and hit go on the food processor, versus separating the whites from the yolks and whipping the whites at room temperature, or caramelizing the sugar separately , or caramelizing the onions before incorporating into a mix, the end result comes out differently. and different food items taste better “medium rare”, but lose their savory nature if run into the “well done” range…
Sequence, and process, and properties of a component (Like Chocolate flavors and the “Chocolate Scorch” effect) cant be discounted. Like adding milks or creams at the beginning of cooking times to an instapot recipe, that end product may not have the savory gravy you are looking for, or your roux for that delicious gumbo, may be burnt beyond recognition.

Knowing the properties and behaviors of the ingredients is as sometimes more important than just knowing the SFT flavor you seek.

#IvapeandIvote

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Knowing certain flavors “flop” when heat is applied, or when you overdo it on whatever gizmo you use to stir blend or mix… just like ice cream is no fun when melted… matters too :slight_smile:

Good analogy. @Tmease :smiley:

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I agree with your analogy but only to a point. Cooking and mixing concentrates for vaping are two different things and I don’t only use rue in my gumbo. I wish these Yankees (my family) up here liked gumbo as much as I do!

How many people are making homemade cream of mushroom sauce to vape? I think your Chocolate scorch analogy works better. Then we got the folks that like fruit mixes. How do they mix it? For me I follow a couple of people that love smoothies and a lot of times I can follow one of their recipes and have an excellent vape but I’m not doing the bananas first and then making a cream. I do it all at once. It could be that I am missing out on some nuanced flavours…

I totally agree with that. It’s unfortunate that I am as lazy as I am because even though I agree with what you said, I have never put it into practice because I don’t know of any strange behaving concentrates. The only thing I do to ensure a good mix is to put my nic in when I am ready to vape the recipe and if I have over 60 ml then I will just use 30 to 60 ml at a time to add nic to.

Open to for discusion

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Not many. They all died from respiratory illness of course officially it was Covid or that eeville e-juice in general.

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So a cream base, custards, bakery items, or many MF concentrates and many others, with longer steeping requirements, could be mixed and steeped, and the fruits that may mute(e.g. lemon, Strawberry ripe) added much later in the process, if we had tons of time on our hands and were being perfectionistic. or, like I did, buy a GC Homogenizer and have a go at it. lol
I totally agree if you have no need for the Nic in your jug of mix to only add it to what you are about to vape that week, and leave the 55gallon drum Nicotine free… :laughing:

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I recently picked up a Rival Brentwood Electric Kettle Hot Pot (googleable) at a Thrift store for $5. It was a little calcified (teflon heating core) but 50//50 vinegar/distilled water made instant work of that after being plugged in for 30 seconds …just sizzled off~! looking online also showed used ones on eBay and Amazon for cheap.

A digital thermometer shows my VG at the correct temperature within my hot pot at the “1” (lowest) setting. I fill it about half way with tap water and the volume goes to about 3/4 when displaced with the VG container being heated. What I use to contain my VG for warming is a used/empty glass Himalaya Pink Salt bottle with a large mouth and large cork (500ml).

I know that VG is hydroscopic and wants to pull water out of the air. I also didn’t want to be fussing with continually refilling any smaller “heating” container, and this stores several 100ml batches worth of VG. I don’t think this Salt bottle is heat resistant but I would guess almost any glass container can handle this sub-boiling point temp but the bottle does sit right on the heating core (no plastic?). The hot pot seems to control temps well and the thick/heavy glass bottle retains temp for several quick 120ml bottles (100ml full) mixes with my GC homogenizer.

This was one of the processes I fretted over, and this has been very safe/efficient, with definite reduced steps. It’s like on-demand (very fast!) hot VG for use with my homogenizer and a place to clean the GC tip/shaft between batches (the hot water in the pot). I do operate my hot pot on top of a stable and impervious heat-proof surface (Safety first!). The cork, with a little VG lubing it, seals out moisture while it just sits for days, while allowing for air expansion while heating.

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forgive the childishness of this question. Anything wrong with microwaving my recipe before using the GC to Homogenize it?

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Uncontrolled heat is not a good thing - microwaves will also heat the vg unevenly and will continue to heat after it is removed from the microwave. Best is just a warm water bath - it takes a little longer but it is much easier to control.

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Someone on here did mention they were microwaving their VG, but I agree with @woftam. I had a Healthnut friend that wouldn’t microwave water to make tea, claiming adverse effects (anecdotal story), while I quietly/internally claimed BS, it makes some sense. There’s a YT video where a dude removes the glass rotator platter from his microwave and puts in a large sheet of thermal paper to show how unevenly a microwvave heats. It was somewhat dramatic.

Such evidence leads to an easy conclusion that spots of your VG could actually cook while others just warm. Even be careful heating water to bubbling in a microwave as it can superheat and splash up on you when inserting your VG container.

When I was doing that I found a 2 cup measuring cup didn’t have enough stored heat to bring much VG to temp. Try a 4 cup container and see how long it takes just before it starts visibly bubbling, because that’s too hot, and can boil over once you disturb it …even just bumping it on your countertop.

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It’s how I’ve been doing it, Troy. I use a handheld Infrared Thermometer and have had good results. However, working with the small amounts that we do, obviously requires finesse! I Creep up on the 140°F. mark by intermittently zapping the mixture(loose cap) a few seconds at a time, and then swirling(not shaking) it, to allow the glass vessel time to absorb the heat from the liquid. This thermometer reads only surface temp. and so measures the temp. of the glass and not the contents. As @woftam and @bodarc say, it’s probably not the best way to do it, but I’ve gotten it down to a science for my needs and it works!

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Well, being careful and using some common sense sounds like a good start. This need for warmed VG certainly should be easy (while safe) and not require constantly buying more sh*t. I had a couple memories related. I think, starting with hot tap water, I used about 1 min microwave time per cup of water YMMV …just do a timed experiment and stop if you see visible boiling in a Pyrex measuring cup and cut 15 seconds of that total time …but that is not about microwaving VG, just water used to warm your VG outside the mic

Be careful as not all glass measuring cups (or containers) are heat-proof glass. It also struck me you could just pour the water through your coffeemaker for some 200 degree F water in the same amount of time, without any hassle other than waiting for your VG to warm in that hot coffeemaker water. Hmmm an old coffee pot could be an option (heated base)?

Memory 2. The uneven heating thermal paper microwave YT vid was about creating a Plasma in a microwave with two grapes (Thumbnail). Yeah I watch some weird sh*t. I can see the convenient allure of microwaving your VG, just don’t end up posting on YouTube; “How To Create a Plasma with Glycerin in your Microwave” LoLoL Thanks guys, interesting.

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Oh ya, I get it now. You are right of course. I do have a few concentrates that should be done like that. My bad bro. TPA’s bittersweet chocolate is like that. It fades pretty quick

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true

also true but… :grin: you know I love you @woftam

If your doing 10 ml I put it in for 5 seconds stir it with my glass rod (or not) then if it needs longer I put it in for 3 to 5-second bursts and for 60 to 100 ml I put it in for 7 to 10 sec. bursts. Obviously, this adds a bit of control or I’m just kidding myself… But I haven’t had any issues doing it this way.

That makes sense but I think the way I do still works. Anyway, it works for me.

yep, I’ve heard that too.

Me too.

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Getting a Rival Brentwood Electric Kettle Hot pot is now on my radar. Housemate has a hot water heater thing by Insignia, but the heater coils are right inside the water reservoir.
Tried the hot water bath on the stove heating thing and the immersion thermometer for a few GC mixes, then I started putting my liter of VG in the nuker for 10 secs at a time and giving a good swirl between runs till it was 150-160 F. then I just started mixing the raw ingredients in a Testtube or beaker, and nuking that (20-60 ml mixes) and hitting it with the GC, adding Salt-nic after I allow to de-gas in the USC. I guess it has been working well enough so far. and my “Willy” still seems to work. so - there is that!
Im not trying to re-invent the wheel here, but I was being lazy and trying to streamline , and got concerned. Keeping it covered (minds out of the gutter, now, please) , the glycerine, which is hygroscopic, wont pull moisture out of the air. makes sense. I rarely make more than 1 batch at a time.
I understand the reasons for the temperature increase is to improve viscosity for miscibility/homogenization and to reduce the likelihood of wear on the GC.

Im loving the heating plate Idea used too. just have to decide to move forward and what with. Thanks!

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This is me and only me at the moment. I am not into all the sciencey stuff. I have been doing this for some time now and found that using an electric kettle to get the water to 140 degrees F, putting them in a Cornelle bowl, used for cooking, and then bathing the bottles for 30 to 40 seconds usually does the trick for me. I then close the bottle shake vigorously and let steep for like a day or two. To me the mixes are together and the liquids do not lose flavor. This is just my non sciencey way of doing things. Not discrediting anyone here, just sharing my experience.

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