I was referring to the anti mask wearers and those that don’t believe in social distancing etc! Maybe if people who didn’t follow these rules when in effect who then got covid and passed it on to someone who then died get’s done for manslaughter then the selfish bast88rds will change their tune!
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At the risk of tainting our otherwise good relationship, here on the forum, I’ll stop commenting about my personal thought’s now as they relate to this topic…because it can likely only go downhill from this point. I respect your opinion, Tim, and wish to leave it at that! 
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Just stumbled across this on a SubStack, and thought I’d shout it out, and you guys could check YOUR area, for actual Hospital COVID Bed Utilization numbers.
This is in reference to the “Overflowing” cases that are being reported.
Here’s where you can check …
Looks like 7.92% in my area…
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Truth is, as far as I’m concerned, the media need’s to drop this constant harping drumbeat, and let people get on with the task of living life with this disease, which by the way, has a 99%+ rate of recovery! Eat a healthy diet, exercise, and use common sense when out in public(or don’t go out if you have comorbidities) I really don’t care, but don’t push your fear’s off onto me! Vaccinated, or unvaccinated…people are still getting Covid because you cannot achieve immunity through vaccination!! IT’S A COLD VIRUS, and the only proper way forward is for the corrupt media(and social media) to stop blocking good information about the large, and growing number of successful therapie’s available to mitigate the duration, and severity of covid.
Life is full of risk, and I will not be shamed, or forced into taking an experimental injection that does not work, and may, in fact do damage to my body!
https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/vaccine-lesson-via-comedy/
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All of the sudden, clinical trials, which are conducted to, among other thing’s, ensure against long term side effect’s, and have traditionally taken 5-10yrs. to complete, are being fast tracked to being done ‘Live’ on million’s of people! That is wrong on so many level’s.
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To be fair, I’m starting to really hope you are wrong. I’ve had my jabs, and I wore my mask when asked to, and I’ve never had to be told to keep my hands clean - my mom taught me that bit of information, but I’m starting to worry that maybe I made the wrong call.
What changed it for me was the current UK narrative that all under 20s should be jabbed too, and the main answer to “why?” is “because it will help reduce variants and stop the spread!” which is not only BS but contrary to everything we were told last year when we were locked down again! “Why lock down the vaccinated?” we asked, “because it will help reduce variants and stop the spread!” (enough said).
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Bret, I have no contempt toward you, or anyone else who chose to do what they thought was right for themselve’s, with the information given them at the time.
All I ask from anyone, is that I’m afforded the same level of respect for the decision I’ve made after reviewing as much information as I’ve consumed, about the safety of these jab’s. 
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Like you, I have no contempt for anyone who made the choice not to. I just find the more time passes the more I’m thinking this is all just lip service anyway, regardless.
Too much just does not make sense, and the more time passes the less it makes sense. Truth be told if I was left to my own devices I probably wouldn’t have bothered either; but due to living circumstances and a few health issues the choice was kind of taken away from me. I could have said no, but at the time it seemed the best thing to do for those around me.
Anyway, I am starting to believe it was all much to do about not much. I’m not denying Covid exists, but I am starting to see your way of thinking a lot clearer.
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@yodaofborg me too Bret. I mean, this thread, and specifically my posts, are not meant to attack anyone for being pro or con, for or against, etc., but just raising questions.
I was actually intrigued when I read on that SubStack that the “overflowing” nature of cases, wasn’t lining up with the factual data, easily available, so I started researching, and comparing (above), new stories, citing specific cities or states, and comparing it to the actual COVID bed usage. I found it quite interesting.
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I’m sorry if any of my posts caused that, as was not the design.
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Oh no, not at all. It is the silly and constant media bombardment. I guess, like others, I’m just of the mind that it is about time we moved on and learned to live with it rather than the constant fear mongering.
They are actually talking about vaccinating school children here now. The mind actually boggles at that one.
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New Victoria Covid restrictions: latest update to Melbourne lockdown curfew and regional Vic coronavirus rules explained
When can I leave my house?
In Victoria, you cannot leave your home unless it is for one of five approved reasons – similar to previous lockdowns.
The reasons are: shopping for essentials; authorised work, if you cannot work from home, or education; exercise for up to two hours; caregiving, compassionate and medical reasons; and to get vaccinated.
Essential workers who can’t work from home need to get a permit to go to work.
Private inspections of unoccupied premises for a home purchase or end of lease will be permitted from 23 September, but only one household may attend at a time, with the agent staying outdoors during the inspection.
Can I go out at night?
A curfew has been reintroduced, meaning people in greater Melbourne must stay home between 9pm and 5am.
How long will the lockdown last?
The lockdown in Melbourne was initially extended until 18 August, but as local transmission continued, it was extended to 2 September. Andrews said on 1 September that restrictions would remain in place at least until 70% of the adult population had received one dose of vaccine – expected on 23 September.
How far can I travel from home?
For shopping and exercise in Victoria, you need to stay within a 5km radius of your home.
From about 23 September, the radius for shopping and exercise will be expanded to 10km.
What are the rules for exercise?
In Victoria, there is a two-hour limit on exercise, and it can only be with one other person, and you must stay within a 5km radius of your home. Gyms have closed their doors again and community sport will also be suspended. Outdoor exercise equipment including skateparks are closed.
Playgrounds have reopened from 1 September.
From 23 September, the two-hour limit will be extended to three hours a day. Outdoor exercise equipment will be opened, and outdoor personal training will also be allowed, with up to two people plus the trainer.
What are the rules for wearing face masks?
Masks must be worn everywhere except for in your home. This includes both indoor places and outdoor areas – unless you have a medical exemption. It also applies to all workplaces and secondary schools.
From Saturday 21 August, it was recommended all primary-school-age children wear masks indoors and outside, except when at home or if an exception applies.
Masks can now also not be removed to drink alcohol outdoors.
What are the rules for construction?
Large construction projects will only be allowed to have 25% of their workers on site, and Smaller construction projects will have a maximum of five workers.
From about 23 September, construction sites can have up to 50% of their capacity returned, if 90% of the workforce has received at least one vaccine dose.
Is regional Victoria included?
Yes. From 21 August, the lockdown rules apply across the entire state, with the exception of the evening curfew which only applies to Melbourne.
Can I have visitors to my house?
No, visitors to homes in Victoria are not allowed, other than an intimate partner, or a nominated person for someone who lives alone.
Can I travel interstate?
Each state and territory is updating guidance on travel rules individually:
- Queensland
- New South Wales
- South Australia
- Western Australia
- Tasmania
- Australian Capital Territory
- Northern Territory
What about the Victoria-NSW border bubble?
Victorian premier Daniel Andrews has announced people living in border communities with NSW will need to apply for a permit to travel in the bubble. People can apply but the permit rule will not be enforced until 6pm on Friday.
What about if I live in Victoria, but I’m in NSW and want to return home?
Only people deemed authorised workers and those granted an exemption on compassionate grounds will be able to get a permit to enter Victoria from NSW.
What about public gatherings?
Public gatherings are not allowed in Victoria.
What is happening with schools?
Schools have moved to remote learning, except for vulnerable children and the children of essential workers. Higher education have also switched to remote learning.
Childcare centres and kindergartens are still open. Allowed in-home care, such as babysitters, has been expanded to include school-aged children, but only if both parents are authorised workers.
Andrews has confirmed that there will be no face-to-face learning in term three.
Can I dine in at a restaurant or cafe?
No. In Victoria, restaurants, cafes and pubs will be open for takeaway only.
Are the shops open?
Essential retail, such as supermarkets and chemists, will remain open. Other stores are closed.
What about weddings, funerals and religious services?
Funerals will be able to go ahead indoors and outdoors with up to 10 people, plus those required to conduct the funeral.
Weddings are not allowed, unless end of life or other exceptional circumstances apply.
People involved in producing religious broadcasts must be the same group of people each time.
What about aged care and hospitals?
No visitors are allowed at aged care facilities except for limited reasons. There will be no visitors to hospitals allowed except for end of life, if you’re a partner during the birth of your child, or a parent accompanying a child.
Can I go and get vaccinated?
Getting vaccinated is one of the reasons people who are eligible to receive the jab can leave home. The Victorian government has expanded the eligibility to include those aged between 40-49 for state-operated vaccination sites. People in this category can now call the hotline on 1800 675 398 to book an appointment.
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