The end of Windows 7

I guess we’re all aware that Windows 7 will end all support in January. I tried Win 10 when it came out and I freaking hated it. Now come January I’m told that I will have no choice. I’m pretty dumb about this stuff. Combine that with being a tight ass about certain things particularly when I’m forced by corporations to replace things that work well. So I thought I would ask for advice.

I have three computers running 7. Two are laptops. (house-workshop building-and my wife’s) All have Firefox with Kaspersky Total Security programs plus I use a VPN. Would this not protect me from hacks and viruses if I continue with Win 7 after they end updates and support?

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Windows 7 will still work (as i am sure you are aware) - it just wont have any security updates. Windows 10 is ok it is just a case of remembering where they have hidden stuff - I look at it like an Easter Egg hunt.

Some of the “security updates” are to stop piracy some are to stop intrusions - if you are on a dynamic ip with your isp you will be protected for the most part unless you grab a nasty that allows access.

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Completely depends on how you use it. If you have a security software outside of Windows that you are using, Seven will most likely be fine for quite a while with “standard” applications, e.g. word, excel, browser. In my case I use some applications like Adobe Premier for video, Cubase 10 and Wavelab 9.5 for audio recording, mixing, and mastering. Those applications are updated frequently and as soon as Ten came out the developers were using Ten in development. All kinds of little shit started going snafu using Seven. You’ll see that too with some more advanced hardware like audio interfaces but in that case it’s a double edged sword. Some after time are no longer supported and won’t work with Ten. If your laptops are older this might also be an issue i.e. driver compatibility. No getting around it. It’s fucked up.

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Everything I have is pretty old. When I tried the free 10 upgrade my printer and scanner wouldn’t work, along with other stuff. I tried to get rid of 10 and couldn’t. I no longer have that computer.

I checked eBay for factory refurbs and they are still selling stuff with 7. Made me wonder if there was a workaround. Guess my bank account will get a dent in it. Oh well, nothing new. Bill Gates needs mo money dontyaknow. :unamused:

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When WIN10 first came out, I used a small program called Classic Shell. It got rid of the charms and used the classic winxp / win7 start menu and had the classic explorer windows. I still have it on my old laptop and it works fine. For the most part, things could be found where you would expect them to be. Unfortunately the author of Classic Shell stopped updating it and supporting it. I know there are other programs that claim to do the same thing but I haven’t tried them.

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I was hoping that something like that was out there. I’m not so concerned with learning a new OS as I am with compatibility with some things I have. For example, I have old CAD (drafting) programs for both electronics and mechanical stuff. These can be expensive…like $600.00 + for one of them. I also have stuff backed up on an external hard drive and wonder if 10 will work with it. Like Ogre said, its fucked up. Looks like I’ll be spending a lot of money and doing a lot of aggravating work.

I’ve never used another OS like Linux or others. Anyone have any recommendations? I fucking hate Microsoft. I was pissed when I had to change from XP. :rofl:

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The newer versions of win10 are very different than when it first came out. You can opt to use a more classic style start menu with a familiar looking desktop with your shortcuts. I tested win10 for a short time and gave MS an earful about how stupid they were making something new that wasn’t broken. Mostly that it now took searching and a number of clicks to get somewhere that only took one or two clicks previously. I reminded them of what made windows… well windows and they should stop trying to be Chrome, Android or Apple.

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You could try running them in compatibility mode - they should work fine. If you update win7 rather than clean install w10 I think most things will work, including drivers (which i think can also be run in compatibility mode not 100% on that since I have not done it).

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I’ll keep that in mind when I “upgrade.” I guess if all else fails I can just keep a system and never go online with it. Some drivers I have don’t update in 7 and were for stuff bought when I had XP…still my favorite by the way.

Agree 100%. I’m told that it was for the back-doors and of course the $$$$. The privacy issues are a big deal to me but I’m a geezer. I constantly ask my wife why some people would want all that stuff and was appalled when I tried 10 when it was first released.

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Thanks Jim, I knew something like that was out there because I installed it on my daughters computer a few years ago, I just couldn’t remember the name.
Saves me a search :+1:

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I have an old dell inspiron 5110 laptop and when I ran windows 10 there were no drivers on dells site, so I ended up with Microsoft drivers which were shit, the sound driver removed features I needed at the time and the graphics driver was glitchy.

Windows 10 has background services that you probably won’t want running, it’s very “tabletesque” in how it works, lots of YouTube videos / online guides on what to turn off though.

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That’s windows in a nutshell though. :wink:
(Been disabling various shit since w98 lol)

That’s my biggest issue with w10.
It’s just not a real OS in my opinion. When you start removing core level support to make things more “idiot proof” (users that delete files that are required for example), or overly strip things down to support the non-tech-savvy’s convenience desires…

Unless M$ releases another substantive OS (2k/NT, XP, w7), I’ll continue to run w7 on the machines I have. As long as you keep your browsers updated, run a decent firewall, and a respectable antivirus (Eset Nod32 for instance), the core OS will remain fairly long lived IMO/IME.

A good backup image of the OS hard drive is always a good idea every 6 Mos or year. :wink:

If M$ doesn’t release something better than w10 in the next year or so (or whenever I have the need to upgrade the mobo/cpu), I’ll probably make the full leap to some Linux variant. They’ve matured a great deal in the last ten years or so.
And you not only have TOTAL control, but they’re typically far leaner running!

Not tons of crap you don’t want/need eating up processing power, slowing things down, and running up the electric bill. And ultra stable to boot!

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1st, excuse my ignorance. What you said seems clear and direct to my original questions, but is not to me.

With seven I don’t use internet explorer and instead use Firefox. Along with that I switched a couple of months ago from Avast to Kaspersky “Total Security” which includes a suite of programs along with antivirus and firewall. I assume their “Safe Money” (opens separately using website links) is a Kaspersky encrypted browser I use for financial transactions or even shopping including eBay and Amazon. I am connected to Kaspersky whenever I use this. I also use Kaspersky “Secure Connection” which is a VPN. All this costs in excess of $150.00 a year which is fine with me.

Hardware wise while old I have upgraded memory and have large hard drives backed up by an unplugged internal drive and redundantly by a 1T external drive. I don’t download or even watch movies or much of anything else. I have tons of unused capacity. Ridiculous for my usage. Every thing is old HP with WIN 7 Pro 64 bit. The laptops are HP Probook and Elitebook. I try to never buy junk. They do everything I want and continue to work well.

Reading Microsoft’s website they discourage upgrading and recommend new computers. I just don’t buy that. Shopping this morning looks like I have to spend a few grand for equivalent or less quality devices. Internet searches redundantly warn against continuing to use 7. I am also unclear whether the Kaspersky programs (and others) will work with 10 and/or another operating system. My fuckin head is exploding.:exploding_head:

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Continuing. If I have to buy new computers I don’t want Windows 10 on them. What Linux variants would you consider and knowing what my equipment consists of would you buy new? Gram-paw just likes to email his granddaughters and do basic things like read news and visit this forum. I don’t want or need stuff I’ll never use. Virtually every time an antivirus program kicked something out, as far as I can tell it did it before the OS could be accessed.

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While sadly I can’t shed much more light (well, not as much as I’d like anyways), I’ll try to clarify what I can.

With reference to what you quoted me on:

You mentioned using Firefox, which is good. As is Chrome. Though I’m sure I can guess why you didn’t go with the latter. :wink: lol

Basically, I was just trying to say that as long as you keep whatever browser(s) you prefer up to date, the more you minimize the chances of becoming infected while surfing. [Side note: Once I had the misfortune of NOT maintaining my normal habit of downloading all the apps/updates/drivers/etc BEFORE I reinstalled the OS (whether you save them to flash drive, another hard disk, or burn them to cd/dvd/etc) and went to Google for a driver it needed, and the very first link I clicked infected the unit. /facepalm] At any rate, most infiltration occurs in browsers due to scripts, flash and Java (I use neither), or old exploits that have long since been patched for in the current version of the browser.

Kaspersky has a solid reputation for some years now, but the last time I tried it was more than 8-10 years ago, so I can’t really comment on anything there, other than to say that I have a good impression of it from what I’ve read previously on security forums. The fact that it includes a firewall is a plus, and puts you further ahead of the game than others who don’t use one.

The fact that you don’t, IMO leads me to believe that you have no need to upgrade then. As long as the hardware is fulfilling your needs (not getting bogged down by demands on it; IE: converting video, needing low-latency/high speed for tracking high-res multitrack audio, or high-demand gaming [you old ‘rail-master’ you LMAO… Q3 reference I don’t expect you to get of course ;)] you really don’t have cause to upgrade.

The ONLY exception I could see is perhaps for video chatting with the grand-kids/family/etc for a Webcam that would feed 1080p, and it’s associated app (Google Duo, Skype, etc). But, even then, most basic hardware that was out during the life of w7 should accommodate that handily (especially given you’ve already upgraded the amount of RAM). So again, not really a requirement unless it’s like first generation hardware that barely made the cut during the transition period from XP to w7 (unlikely).

Of course they do. :wink:
More current cpus have hardware ID codes, and more stringent reign over how files are handled (at the hardware level) than what they did before.
The more they control what… Never mind. You already know.

I’m not sure I’d go quite that far. But, I haven’t looked at retail (prefab) in years. I’ve always bought my own hardware and assembled exactly what I needed, based on the intended use of the machine. (Gaming rig, Audio rig, old repurposed POS for surfing, etc)

Haven’t seen that, but I’m already skeptical. What’s the motivation (from their POV)? If not to sell hardware, then…?
In your case:

  • You’re not doing 30 things at once, so no need for an 8-core, multi-threaded, 12mb L2 cache, etc behemoth. (whatever dual or quad core you already have is more than ample to do what you’re asking of it.)
  • no massive data handling, so you don’t need 8gb or more of Ram.
  • no major data transferring, so you don’t need 4tb plus of HDD.

I just can’t see the need for you.
Similar to my mom, there’s no reason to upgrade.
Hell, the only reason she’s been upgraded to where she’s at, is because I wanted to put a terabyte sata drive in her machine, and her mobo didn’t have sata. :laughing: Which, by default meant she needed a new cpu, and psu. Even with that, she spent less than $150, because I had all kinds of spare parts laying around. Memory, cpu, psu etc.

Barring a hardware failure, you shouldn’t need to worry about any of that. :thumbsup:

Sadly, I can’t answer here, unless you are comfortable with command line use of Linux.
I’ve read that there are some that are almost “windows-easy” to install and get running. But I’m not familiar with them firsthand. Hopefully another member here could offer suggestions.

Absolutely not.

Stick with what you have, but consider looking further into the Linux variants! Definitely covers the latter comment: “I don’t want or need stuff I’ll never use.”
Especially when you talk about buying HP and Dell (the only two general mass manufacturers of prefab that I’d ever recommend). Bloatware central, but usually very solid hardware from first tier vendors.

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Thanks a ton. :hugs: I’m ranting but what I don’t get is that by being connected to Kaspersky continuously would seem to me that any malicious shit would have to get through their systems/servers in advance of mine. Plus every password I have is encrypted and the network activity constantly monitored. See you helped me clarify my thoughts. :rofl: The shit I’m reading online just doesn’t make sense. I’m going to look into the Linux stuff before I buy anything. Rant/off

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Thank you so much for this thread.
I too am really getting frustrated with W10, and all of it’s add on’s.
I used to be pretty proficient with a PC, having started using them with the old ZX Spectum back in the 80’s, and then onto MSDOS, but after Windows XP I have been lost in the BS that seems to have invaded the computer world.
Like @mrpipes all I really want is something that just works, without all the bells and whistles that I will never use. I also use Kaspersky Total Security, which really seems to do what I need, it too has far too many options for my old head.
I have considered Linux but not being command prompt savvy I am fearful of opening another even bigger can of worms.
I will follow this thread with interest.

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Ahhh that seemingly sheds a bit of light into some of the misunderstanding I believe.

Kaspersky is simply an app that runs on your computer alone. Nothing is going through their servers (in the literal sense) before it gets to your machine.

Basically, it acts in a few ways.

  1. They become aware of sites that are problematic, and add them to the known list of dangerous places you might visit. IF you happen to visit one (or attempt to), the site is compared against the local list (on your machine, buried in their data resources packs/modules/etc), and if it’s a site on the list, it can halt your proceeding to the site, while it tosses up whatever notice or warning is relevant.

  2. ‘Live Grid’ (Eset’s term for their online ‘real-time’ “data resource lists”, my term for what they use for items submitted and being evaluated ‘live’, throughout the day, before the next available daily update is pushed out to the masses.) means that if you participate in it, and you actively run across something that triggers the AV, but it’s not on a known list [basically a zero-day exploit, be it a package, or script, etc] it gets submitted to the folks who are actively monitoring such submissions, so that they can evaluate whether it’s an actual threat. And take appropriate action as warranted. To my understanding and knowledge, only invoked when a potential UNKNOWN threat is detected live, on the web.

The costs for them to monitor literally every single client’s surfing (data) through their servers (if it were to work the way you described) would be astronomical, and as a result, they would have to charge substantially more than $150/yr.

Hopefully that helps a bit!

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Ok. Sum-times I R Dum. I noticed when using the “Safe Money” browser that I was connected to them via Toronto Ca. But that is I assume (now) for notification purposes if I trigger something rather than running through their servers. Duh. Likewise I guess the Virtual Private Network is doing similar by changing my ip to an active server elsewhere. :grinning:

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WelI, I think it’s official, I’m a thick shit.
I have been trying all morning to load Linux, both Ubuntu and Linux Mint, and with no success at all.
I download the OS then transfer onto a stick, pop it into the usb port, reboot, and nada.
I have tried altering the BIOS start up priority, however it won’t change from the original to reading a usb stick.
Maybe MS have a hand in making it difficult to use anything other than their offerings.
My head is totally “done in”.

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