Oh shit missed that nice catch mate. Forget what i said about pdo.
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No, you were bang on. PDO did cause muting.
Ok, at least it did for me! And I had (still have) the real deal (branded as Zemea), straight from the bastards that make it. It was almost impossible to get because of their restrictions on not wanting it to be used with vaping.
It solved the issue with PG sensitivities, but the side effect (flavor muting) rendered it null in potential use IMO.
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I don’t think it has ever been mentioned by Walt that there was no pg (but he sure knew there were ppl who wanted no pg) - the msds sheets only appeared on the site a week or so back. I haven’t looked at the vg version but i assume that there was actually no pg in that and people made the leap that the sc was the same. I only looked because PV always said it was pdo based (and i thought for a second when you posted i have inadvertently proved his point)
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To me, that ties in with “all of the label changes”.
First extracts. Well not all are going to be able to be extracts now…the simplest way out? Rename the line. That frees up the extracts requirements and limitations. And it opens up the leeway for the others.
Then it shifted from “PG free/dye free/etc free” labeling, to the new labels targeting the “fear market” (Diacetyl/Acetyl/Acetyl Propionyl). Well, that change allowed them to get away from mentioning PG free… But meanwhile, they’ve already created the impression that their flavors are PG free among many. Meanwhile, that’s obviously no longer the case… But then the question arises “ok, is that with some, or with all?” But, you also noted a soft shift in marketing to ‘We’ve got an all new PG line…’
I dunno. There’s just been too many changes, in too short a time, that leave too much unaccounted for. Again. Too much smoke (lack of clarity in marketing), and too much shift (hey look at this…)
Again though, this is all my humble opinion, and what I’ve observed.
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He definitely marketed them as such for awhile! Actively so.
Though this example is from a limited run, it shows the label type they were using at the time.
Save these because the forum might delete them (due to file size)
So, for the ones that claim PG free (such as this), there’s really no known alternative, other than PDO… And that makes me question things further.
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I believe there’s a reason for that.
Things were still very much in Flux as to which route he was going to go (or, perhaps until he used up the stock of PDO was exhausted…) Strictly speculation though.
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done 
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That is one of the early ones of the sc line the msds is for the current professional concentrates so they may well be a different composition.
So the Extract, SC and Professional Super Concentrates may well all be totally different concentrates (same flavours) just different carriers etc
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Precisely, and that’s my belief. But we’ll likely never know the truth. Because they have constantly been monkeyed with.
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I don’t have any of the one drop flavours but i would suggest it just has more pg - no way of knowing as there are no msds sheets on the one drop site - either that or there has been a massive fuck up with linking msds sheets
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Well, the SC is “super concentrated”, and requires half the amount of flavoring than the One Drop version…
So until he posts the normal “retail price” of One Drop (which already requires 7-9% if used as a SF… Oh wait! There’s an out! These are “enhancers” 
lol), we can’t take him to task on that! 
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Forgive me if I’m wrong but…isn’t a lesser dose of a concentrate already an enhancer…?
So a weaker version of flavours that are already out on the market and more than likely sold at a similar price?..
why would anyone buy that?
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Trying to hook the non mixers
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@Sprkslfly I’m now faced with the dilemma should I create a new RF PSC set of flavours on elr as they are clearly different from the rf sc - carrier wise anyhow, from what I have used the % remain the same as the sc. I will know more when i have a few more of them to play with.
At the risk of attracting OHM Girl back I am reluctant to make a thread about the pg base of the PSC
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IMO…
No.
And FUCK NO.
Let Lars decide if he wants to deal with (or even raise the awareness about the “situation”). At most (so it keeps you free and clear of any fallout), I’d say bring this thread to his attention, and then sit well back, and let the chips fall where they may.
@anon96069639 STELLAR digging my friend! And the most sincere thank you for taking the time and putting forth the effort! Blisteringly well done sir!! :applauds:
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I have really tried to like RF. I like to support the underdog and I like to support business in my home state of Michigan.
Having said that, I have been disappointed over and over for reasons stated above, flavor fade etc…
The One Drop so far for me are another disappointment. I certainly don’t get any flavor boost from adding a drop or even several drops. I haven’t done dedicated single flavor tests but have substituted strawberry, watermelon, cotton candy and blueberry in some of my existing recipes with mediocre results.
The berries are weak even at higher levels of the flavorings I was replacing them with. The watermelon is OK but tastes like a mix of cantaloupe and honeydew rather than watermelon. The cotton candy just tastes like sweetener rather than actual cotton candy flavor.
Maybe I will find one RF flavoring I just can’t live without, but so far I am just not feeling it and I am kinda tired of giving them chances to win me over.
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Yep. That’s why I didn’t bother. Even at 79¢ each.
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Ya I spoke to Ken about it today - we went thru every sds sheet for the one drop and the PSC concentrates together to make sure all the ducks were lined up.
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The puzzle pieces that everyone is missing it the sds for the first and second releases from RF - the “Raw Extract” and the “Super Concentrate” . I am convinced that each name change is a totally different product.
Check out the one drop Blue Raspberry vs the PSC
As you can see they are exactly the same the only difference is the % of the ingredients. But what I find strange is that the Blue Raz it listed as just super concentrate not professional super concentrate
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You’re not alone.
I genuinely don’t believe that any company would go through all the expense, time, and trouble of rebranding, adapting the descriptors (extracts, etc, then characteristics that each label promoted, etc), were it not to legally cover his ass.
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