Now for other news - In Australia

They too have caught the ban bug

This too will make your eyes water.

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I’m so sorry to see this and as a US citizen deeply regret the effect our utterly corrupt government’s actions have had on societies across the world, past and present. I used to hear the term “creeping fascism.” (merger of public and private powers) No, it’s doing the 50 yard dash.

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The price is a little out dated on that graphic i think they just went up 12%

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Upside is they still havent worked out
A) How to police (ie dectection) sending a vape product from another state
B) If i never go to South Australia it is unlikely they would charge and extradite me.

But nonetheless there are still some in Sth Australia that live more than 8 hours drive from a B&M

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@mrpipes I don’t think it is just the US situation that is causing grief around the world, it is probably more greedy politicians, cashing in on an easy target.

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I hope you’re right that it isn’t us driving the situation. I don’t know your cultures, government structures or your lawmaking and legal processes. Here our people have totally lost control. Each half of the people are ready to kill the other half when in reality it’s a tiny minority of international bankers and corporations that have enslaved us. People have to do more than pull a lever every two or four years. That list is far too long to go into here but know that there are a lot of people who are at the tipping point and sick of the wars and empire junk. We hate the thought of the cancer masquerading as the USA spreading any further.

I do appreciate your viewpoint.

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Our government appears to follow no one country in making it’s decisions.
They tend to cherry pick what suits their agenda, so our proposed regulations have a bit of UK/Europe and a bit of US thrown into the mix. By the end of the process they may well have a few more countries thoughts chucked in for good measure too.
Please don’t feel that your country is the cause of all the ills, it is the greedy deadbeats that started killing your citizens with their black market money making junk.
I hope they are charged with murder.

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As much as I appreciate your sentiments, I try not to make comments on another countries politics or state.
Edit: I think you guys do that very well on your own :rofl:

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This one is unrelated to what is happening in the USA right now it has been coming for the last 12 + months.

For those interested, I will explain a little of what went down more of how they did not why they did.

Firstly as many of you are aware we cannot buy e-liquid here that contains nicotine so how they managed to get all vape products classed as tobacco products I will never know, but they did and due to this clever bit of fuckery it enabled the South Australian government to extend its tobacco laws namely but certainly not limited to the outlawing of purchasing tobacco products by either mail order or internet.

The last government of South Australia proposed this law and were happy to enter into a dialogue with the vaping industry an agreement was reached for a far less draconian set of laws specifically tailored to the vape industry. Before the rewrite of the bill was able to be introduced to the S.A Parliament an election was called and the government was voted out. The new puppet masters scraped all the hard-won concessions and promptly enacted the initial bill refusing to even speak to the vape industry.

This law has been coming for a long time (it is almost 12 months I think since it went into the law books).

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That’s it in a nutshell. Unfortunately it is worldwide, not just in the good ol’ US of A.

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I do too, or at least some form of homicide. My “good friend” Winston :sweat_smile: over at ELR has been “hair on fire” pointing to the pesticides found in counterfeit carts tested by a lab for NBC. They also tested samples from a legal dispensary that were found to be clean and compliant. The point Winston attempted to make was to differentiate between the stupid but legal Vitamin E oils used for cut and the deadly poison herbicides/pesticides found. Myclobutanyl was found which converts to hydrogen cyanide. This chemical is illegal in most states but permitted at very low levels in a few. It is used to prevent crops from molding. Being illegal in most states tells me that purchase records exist and maybe could be used to trace the origins of these tainted THC vapes. With all the crazy wet weather we had this past year, narrowing the fields down to those that would use this to prevent their crop from molding might not be that difficult. I don’t know and am only speculating.

Then it was announced that Oregon state had permitted the use of the E oils in their THC product testing and if I recall so did Washington State. I’m still hoping for a shift in attention to the poisons found and of course the fact that none of this has been found in nicotine products. Here’s the only semi comprehensive test results that I have found showing the poisons:

I hope that focusing on this doesn’t fuel the fires elsewhere.

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If only eyes would open to things like that. But ala$…

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I’m very curious. Is tobacco grown widely in Au and if so do you have your own brands to compete with imports? The classification as tobacco products surprised me because I thought that was basically our bizarre twisted reasoning to pigeonhole ENDS products as “tobacco.”

Related question. How much influence, if any, does Phillip Morris International have on your legislative processes? I see Marlboro cigarettes at around $23 a pack. (adding the 12%)

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Tobacco used to be grown quite widely here but commercial tobacco farming no longer occurs in Australia.

The industry began to wind down during the mid-1990s, with successive announcements at state and federal level for government-financed restructuring grants (exit grants) to tobacco farmers to assist them in leaving the industry.

At the same time, the government deregulated and removed tariffs to squeeze out any farmers that were still growing tobacco which made it less economically viable.

Not a great deal our politicians are all bought and paid for by pharma - to the point where our government has changed laws and moved heaven and earth to allow the legal farming of a specially designed opium poppy (much higher yield) in both Tasmania and just for a surprize South Australia. Australia produced a little more than half the worlds supply of legal opium specifically for pharma companies (basically our government caused your opioid crisis). With the crackdown on opioids, farmers are walking away from growing poppies because they are less lucrative than they were in the '90s and '00s.

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Enlightening. Meanwhile we have US troops guarding the poppy fields in Afghanistan where production is much higher than before the supposed war. My understanding is that the Taliban had almost wiped out opium production. What a tangled web these fuckers weave.the problem really is horrible here. People overdosing everywhere. I grew up in a relatively small city (35K) that was a pretty nice place. Now its a war zone.

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Does not include vaping though, yet…

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It will - if you cant smoke you cant vape here in Victoria.

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