So I never thought different builds really changed the flavor of a juice much, sure Clapton’s and fused Clapton’s might bring out the top notes a little more, but it’s never been a complete profile change. Cut to me ordering some 0.8x0.2 SS316L ribbon wire from advanced vape supply, coil it up and throw it in the tsunami in single coil mode and juice it up with a blend of inw custard, rf sc aged bourbon creme, and fa oak wood, normally this juice is bourbon forward with the oakwood and custard playing nicely together in the background, but I take a puff off this ribbon coil and think WTF?!? All I can taste is the oakwood, right up front, the bourbon is in the background so much I barely can detect it and the custard is nowhere to be found…I have never had a coil change the flavor of a juice so much, in this particular case it is not a good change but I have yet to try it with any other flavor profile. Anyone have experience with ribbon wire coils? And if so, have you noticed anything like this?
That’s probably due to the temperature of the coils. Flavour molecules react at different temps.
Maybe, but when I first test my juice I use different rda’s with different builds to test across a wide range of power settings, from 12-15 watt mtl all the way up to 120-140 watt to find where the flavors come out the most, this juice never changed that much. I need to try other recipes with the ribbon coil, but I had just installed it last night and vaped on it for a half hour before bed, I had to write a quick post about it lol.
I’ll chime in with @DrChud. The most stark example for me was playing with a Paranormal 250C. I put an Ammit 25 single on it for flavor and was vaping in TC. For TC I will use a fairly high value for wattage available to get a quick ramp up. I was vaping Tigers Blood which is a simple blend of Strawberry, coconut, and watermelon. The vape was very good and what I was used to. I switched to replay and started the routine of starting low and working up for a VW vape. Holy Crap! Massively layered vape! Strong stand out strawberry at first later layering with the coconut and watermelon. Entirely different flavor experience. Different flavors will become prominent at different temperatures and with a lower initial ramp up I had allowed this to happen.
This is also what I stumbled upon after watching Daniel’s last video on Replay you posted. Kind of makes my head spin but find myself setting watts waaaay lower (Replay) than I ever have before with some mixes. How about you?
I’m watching it a lot closer now in both vw and tc. Paying a lot more attention the power setting with flavor in mind. I would imagine I am using lower power settings overall although I haven’t paid too much attention.
I think that is the reason I never really enjoyed temp control in the traditional use, anytime I ever used temp control I just set my wattage and cranked the temp up to 600f, checked to see how high it was going with a fully saturated coil and then set my temp 10f above that to avoid dry hits but still allow the ramp up, no preheat ever
Interestingly I find the best flavour balance comes from a simple round wire, high ohm (.5) coil
In several atty’s I prefer parallel 28g over fused 28g, in a regulated device I usually prefer smaller gauge wire with more wraps to hit my wattage/heat flux goal too
Yikes! 600F! I would say you are probably not a great candidate for enjoying TC, lol. It is an acquired taste for me. It wasn’t love at first vape. There are times I prefer VW or replay but I do find myself using TC most often.
I don’t leave it there lol I just set it that high so it doesn’t kick in with a wet coil, so I can see where it is actually hitting, then I drop my temp down to just above where it was hitting while unrestricted so that when the coil dries out a little it will activate temp control, basically I used it as a reminder to drip more lol
@Grubby as well. I always find this interesting. I keep going back to 2x28+36 parallel clapton. Go figure. Maybe it’s psychological or maybe my taste buds are tuned to that wire. Having said that, all my mtl plus ohm builds are straight wire.
I’ve believed for a long time that flavor is best between .4 to .7 and preferably .5. But I usually use plain SS316L claptons. My fav has always been 28/36 but I tried 26/32 after your other thread and particularly after watching the last Replay video. I was able to detect flavor changes but not like when using Replay. With 28/36 I used this mostly to control ramp but by starting low and chain vaping for Replay I find a sweet spot then hit save puff. So I am talking about something very different. I began using Replay like I was still using TC and was missing the effect/benefit of this new system. I honestly think this is a total game changer but its damned hard to describe.
I think replay inherently takes into account the ambient or beginning temperature of the atty. First vape on a “cold” atty may start at 70F. After vaping multiple times the vape may start at 120F. Here you have an entirely different temperature profile. A pre-heated vape if you will. Replay can mimic that pre-heating even on a cold atty. Pretty amazing stuff really.
Has anyone used heat flux on steam engine to compare coils? Next time I need to recoil I’m going to run a side by side with my two boreas tanks with different coils that all hit the same wattage at 275 heat flux, ohms and wraps will vary depending on material but I can’t think of a way to test a staple vs Clapton vs round wire that is more fair…I want to do it coil wars style where the one I like better stays in the tank till I find one that beats it, but even with trying to make the test as even as possible the results will only be applicable to the boreas tank with whatever flavor I was using for comparison…still sounds fun to me though lol. Replay sounds really interesting but I’m not gonna spring for a new device till I can get a 2 battery squonker with the dna250c, or preferably a three battery, with bottles that aren’t proprietary. I know there are some out right now like that but none that really catch my eye…
Your mood can also alter taste perception, I’ll just leave that one there for you and you can thank me later lol
I’m gonna have to research that just out of curiosity, any articles you recommend?
There’s an awful lot on the subject. I hate telling people to google something but in this case it’s a good idea and you can just pick what looks interesting to you.
“Pugs…this tastes funny again?”…
you don’t say…
same guy as last time
Hows that for flavour changing wire…
Custard alá campfire