I’ll be trying all the bakery and cream stuff first, I haven’t vaped fruit without a cream or bakery in over a month or more lol
Tfa sweet n tart basically turns most fruits into a candy type flavor, but it has some harshness to it that is hard to work around.
Since you have the sous vide you can easily add an extra percent or two to any of the flavors you find to be weak without having to wait for them to “steep”
Oats and Cream Cookie, Almond Cookie, Shortbread Cookie are all good in my book. Roasted Pecans and Cream is another one. It will take awhile to sort out 102 flavors, and then there are the regular concentrates. Peach pie and Cream with Cap Van Whipped Cream is really good, but I had to push it up to 8% and then went down a little. Wayne Walker mixes 5% Peach Pie with 5% Cap Van whipped.
Ah, but I used nic after all.
I was afraid of that. Take a couple, add flavor, and heat to 104 for a few minutes then shake and usc. You’re using salts so I don’t know how they will react, but better than freebase. I’ve been tied up with family stuff and still haven’t tried the salts. FWIW there is a viscosity change at 40C and another at 60C.
How much did you make of each flavor? All this new information will make my personal testing so much easier, I normally make 30ml minimum of anything because I test it at 24hr and weekly across 3 different drippers with different wattage coils, some flavors don’t come alive till you get them really hot and other flavors seem to be terrible over 35-40 watts
I did 15ml bottles. Not too worried, guess I imagined 102 awesome standalones.
102 stand alone’s. Now that’s a positive attitude if I ever saw one.
I can dream.
I’m laughing with you, not at you.
Oh, I understand. I’m laughing at me though, for being damn fool enough to think there were actually any “perfect” single mix concentrates out there, much less 102 in a row.
Not a one of these 20 so far tested are full on winners, and by that I mean good enough to mix alone and be a good vape. And this highlights a major aggravation of mine re:mixing. This was one test, at one % level, with one concentrate. How many untold different % I can try on one single flavor just annoys the hell out of me. I may hate something at 2%, like it at 1%, but love it at 4%. I can’t know that unless I test it all. Test, test, test, shit. Why can’t it be just simple. Fact is, all of these may be winners at different %'s. Ack.
In addition, my thought would be that (when SC), they may also be muting… Just a thought though.
First round testing is always a dangerous time to make assumptions…
How so, sir? Not 100% following.
You are correct there, and I intimated as much earlier. But it still sucks because I hoped to clear the bases on the first swing.
As it is mine.
Now you see why I do three to four (of a SF) at a time, simultaneously. I hate having to make multiple passes, much less trying to remember how one hit me (or having to do unfair comparisons at different maturation points).
I think you’re more likely to struggle, or get an incomplete impression by trying to do “flat batch tests” (IE: all tests at 2%). At least, that was my experience when I walked that path back when…
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Meaning that (as pointed out earlier) they have two separate strengths. Normal and SC.
Since it’s been pointed out earlier that some are used in the 1% (or sub 1%) range, then some might mute at 2% (during flat batch tests).
I can’t imagine that many would have been in the same round… But just wanted to remind you of the factor during a time when you’ve got a lot of other things going on! (new sous-vide process, loads of new flavors excitement, others in house posing additional excitement/distraction with questions, etc)
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Going to answer you in the new WF thread again. Thanks!
I disagree about the merge. Here’s why in a nutshell: the new thread is about WF flavoring and not methodology.
When a flavoring company makes recommendations say between 1 to 4% I think “muting” is out of the question. Add that there are a lot of recipes published by Frank Richter who is one of the owners of WF. Add to that many experienced mixers like Freshpies, Boogenshizzle, Kreed, etc who are using these flavors. While the %'s vary between them they are a pretty good guide. Some of the recipes agree with my palate, and some don’t.
So’ I’ll get to the point: What causes muting? We know that high % of EM and the use of PDO does cause muting. Sensory overload may cause vapers tongue but IMO that is not “muting.” Other chemicals are also known to mask flavors. But we have people who “froth” and “breathe” and “whip” and create a “tornado vortex” while stirring i.e. send their flavoring out in the air and then proclaim “muting”. IMO this is just more of the same hooey.
There is a reason for everything under the sun and that some mysterious chemical reaction happened or some broad general rule that has to be followed is once again down the path of unsupported reasoning i.e. magical thinking.
I think this “muting” topic belongs in methodology.
I don’t want to see you guys fighting; it’s like seeing your folks fighting. So quit that shit.
I agree with @mrpipes about keeping the methodology aspects here, since this is where such things are discussed.
As for muting, I find fault with no one about the concept but I would like to hear some non-allegorical insights as to the reasons for it. If, like time steeping, it is just an accepted myth, I’d like to know.